Good
sports tins are pretty rare. If you're active and continually
hunting sports antiques, you come across sports tins every once
in a great while. This small collection pictured above took me about 18 years to
assemble. The rarest one you see there is the tan Pig-skin
Mixture at front center. It's shaped like an actual
football, and is from about 1890. I got that at the Atlantique
City antiques show about 12 years ago for $600.00 I think it
was. I bought it on the last day of the show, in the last hour
of the show. I once heard there are only 7 known examples of it. The
latest one I got is the mustard colored All American Varnish tin
with the football player. You can see it in the back upper
right. I got it on eBay for $12.00 I think it was. It's from the
1930's, have never seen another. That Skiff
one with the single
sculler rower is a nice little tin. I met a guy named Jan
Goedhart on eBay from Holland, eBay handle "tincollectors".
He's the biggest dealer in Europe for tins. He knows I like the
sports tins and offered me the Skiff for $100.00. It was kind of
a no-brainer for that! It's the only one I've ever seen. It's
English but still cool. It's neat when you meet people thru eBay.
Jan is very helpful and shares his knowledge on tins. If you're
a serious collector, Jan is just the kind of guy you want to
know. He has years of experience in the Euro tins, so I was able
to learn from him. That's very valuable as he's probably the world's most knowledgeable
on the Euro tins. The orangish red Lucky Curve tin at dead
center is another pretty rare tin. It's what is referred to as a
"lunch box" style. I got that probably 10-12 years ago
at the All American Antiques show in Glendale California, near
Los Angles. I think I paid $350 for it, from Kim and Mary Kokles
of Texas. They are one of the top advertising dealers in the
country, and started the Indianapolis Advertising show. All
these tins are basically reasonably priced. But there are some
exotic antique sports tins that are pretty pricey. I'd say the
top four sports tins would be the Home Run tin, the Home Run
Stogie tin, the Ty Cobb pocket tin, and the Cy Young cigar tin.
The Ty Cobb tin would probably be considered the Mother of all
Sports tins, and goes for major bank. These four tins were in
the April 2005 Robert Edward Auction of Watchung New Jersey www.robertedwardauctions.com
I was taken back to see all four tins offered at once. See them
below with the closing prices they sold for in that auction less premium:
FOOTBALL
TINS
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photo
c1880-1930
Grouping
of rare
football
advertising tins
Collection
of author
All
photos below above courtesy
Robert
Edward Auction
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photos to enlarge
Home
Run
Sold
for $3,000.00
Home
Run Stogie
Sold
for $2,250.00
Ty
Cobb
Sold
for $9,000.00
Cy
Young
Sold
for $4,250.00
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photos to enlarge
All
prices are excluding premium, and were realized at
Robert Edward Auction
on
April 30, 2005
Rob
Lifson, president of Robert Edward Auctions was kind enough to
provide photos of the tins above. Another
interesting development in the sports tin world was the recent
sale of another very rare circa 1890's baseball pocket tin
called "3
strikes". This tin was auctioned on April 8th 2005, as lot
number #201 by the Wm Morford auction house of Cazenovia New
York. www.morfauction.com
. The closing price before premium was $11,500.00. This was the
first time in 18 years I'd seen it offered. Till then I'd only
seen it pictured in a book on tins. Another quite rare sports
tin that was in that same auction was Lot # 126,
"Golf Girl" talcum tin. It sold for $875.00 plus 10% premium. Take a look below to see these exciting
tins!
I
attended the Grass
Valley Old West Antiques Show, in Grass Valley California on
Saturday May 13th 2006. The show is incredible and one of the
best antiques shows in the country. I was too pressed for time
to do a story on this years show, however I'll post a photo of
the best thing I saw...an 1899 bicycle race poster from Carson
City Nevada. I was so taken I forgot to measure it, but it was
big, framed it was about 40 inches tall by 30 wide. It sold to
renowned collector Peter Sidlow of Las Vegas for $4,500.00. It
was not only the best thing I saw, but probably the best bicycle
poster I've ever seen. Congrats Peter!
I
did find one item at the show....a circa 1890 Edwin J. Gillies
coffee tin with an illustration of a football game. My friend
John Bounaguidi was set up, and had gotten gotten two of these
tins, one white, one red, out a a Hunt's auctions a year or so
ago. He had the red one at the show and offered it to me for
what he gave, which was $considerable$. I think it's a little
faded, as I've seen another red one that wasn't. I couldn't make
up my mind, so John told me to take it home and see how it works
in my collection. I worked it in with my other tins and it looks
pretty nice, plus my girl friend Barbara thinks I should get it,
so darn I guess I'll have to now...it'$ only money!
If
you can believe it, the Gillies Coffee Company is still in
business, and they have a website with they're history. Seems
they were a major player in the coffee business in New York City
starting in 1840. Click
here to read they're
interesting story.
I've
only seen a few examples of this tin in 18 years, and always
wanted it. I'd sort of like to wait for one in a little better
condition, but they're so rare I suppose I better bite the
bullet while this one's available. Not only are the football
graphics really nice, but it's American...not Canadian, not
bloody English! On top of that it's one of the best depictions,
of 19th century American football used for advertising, and I
think it's the only tin with 19th century football.
years
ago, pictured in a 1986 edition of a book titled: Tobacco Tins
and Their Prices, by Al Bergevin. The crossed baseball
bats and the bearded old timer sitting in the chair seemed
to echo a civil war connection, but I've never learned
that for sure. The flags with the "Y'" clearly
imply Yale since the tobacco company M. Zunder & Sons
was located in New Haven Connecticut. To the left and
right of the word "mixture" are football goal
posts, below it is a baseball. The bats have "squared
barrel" ends (sawed of look), which date them to the
1880's.
For
twenty years I kept an eye out, but never saw a single Old
Pop Smith tin. I put it in my eBay permanent search to be
notified if it ever surfaced. Very early A.M., the week of
May 6th 2007, I got an email notice from eBay that one was
listed.
In the middle of something, I stopped and clicked on the
link and saw Old Pop for the first time. The condition was
a little rough, but since It was the first one I'd ever
seen for sale, it was good enough.
Two
days before it closed I happen to run into antique
advertising expert extraordinaire Kim Kokles at The Grass
Valley Old West Antiques Show and asked him what he knew
about it. Kim told me he knew the tin, and that it was
very rare and that he'd had one 25 years earlier. He said
he'd gotten it at Brimfield for thirty or forty dollars,
and sold it right away for $2,500.00. He said his friends
scolded him that he could have gotten $5,000.00. He said
the market for square corner tins had softened since then,
and he helped me establish it's value based on the
condition I gave.
It
sat dormant for most of the week at around $10.00 as I
recall. The seller said as much that he was very surprised
at the amount of interest it had gotten, and that he originally
thought he would get about $30-$40 for it. The seller said
he got it at an estate sale in West Port Connecticut. It
turned out he got two, mine plus another
that was in much worse condition than mine,
which he later sold for $22.00. Mine
got 5 bids and I got it for $1,174.75 plus shipping and
insurance.
It's
interesting that the one pictured
in The Bergevin book appears to have rounded corners, and
possibly a lip around the edge. I'm not a tin expert but
that seems like it may be a later example than mine.
Another antique advertising expert, Don Lurito, who has an
Old Pop Smith, estimated there are 5-6 extant, plus mine,
plus the wiped out one. I
plan to research the tin, and who Old Pop Smith was and
will let you know what I learn! -Carlton
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SportsAntiques.com
is pleased to have solved the mystery of
who Old Pop Smith was. Below are two
clippings from the New York Times
Published:
November 10, 1890
Published:
March 3, 1905
11/5/11
QUARTERBACK
COFFEE TIN
Newly
migrated old post from latest acquisitions page
I picked up
this new tin for my tin collection....it's a c1918 Quarterback Coffee tin and was produced by The Dolan Mercantile Co. St. Joseph, MO and Atchison, KS. It measures 3 5/8 inches tall and a diameter of 5 3/4 inches. This is the only example of this tin I've seen, and was a natural fit for my collection..I'd say it's one of the nicest tins I've seen, so I was determined to work it into my other tins even though I'm maxed out of room. I had to move out some lesser ones to fit it in.
Click TIN
and IN LINEUP
to see a larger photos. Below is a shot of it now included
with my tin collection